Connection between the symbol

In a group of three we talked about the relation between "The Catcher" , "Baseball Mitt" , and "The Mummies". we discussed about how baseball mitt was related to Holden's brother's death, and how he fight with Stradlater for his brother. we also talked about the "love to innocence", "rejection to adult hood", "how he was jealous". how Holden always took care of his   younger sister by taking her to carousel, and how they both were best fiends. Here is  picture of our

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Holden leaves the skating rink, has lunch, and thinks some more about giving Jane a call. He thinks about taking her dancing. He saw her once , dancing with another "moron" named Al Pike who used to wear tight bathing suits and jump off the high dive to show off his muscles. He says if a girl likes a guy, she will say he has an inferiority complex, matter how much jerk he is, and if she doesn't like him, she will say he's conceited, no matter how nice a person he is. Pondering aside, he gives jane a call and hangs up when no one answers. He does need some company for the evening, though, so he looks his address book. Unfortunately, there only three numbers in it: Jane, a former teacher named Mr. Antolini, and his father's office. So he ends up giving Carl luce a call, a guy he used to go to school with at Whooton before he hot kicked out. The wicker bar is located in the Swanky Seton Hotel. Holden doesn't go there as much anymore because its got phonies. Carl shows up, and Holden gives us the backstory: Luce was supposed to be his student adviser at Whooton, but all he did was give all the boys talks about sex and who was a flirt. Holden is surprisingly energetic in his attempts at conversation. he asks right away about carl's sex life, college major etc. they continued to  talk for a while.


In this two chapter Holden talks about sexuality a lot. for a fellow who dislikes phonies so much, Holden collects more than his share; Luce us an obvious example. Holden is slightly suspicious but impressed nonetheless. His own sexuality bothers him, as he openly admits in the conversation with Luce.

Questions

1) What frustrates Holden about girls and the guys they date?
Ans: If a girl like a boy, no matter how bad he is, they will say he has an inferiority complex, and if they don't like him, no matter how nice a guy he is, they will say he is conceited.

2) Where does Holden go to pass the time before meeting Carl Luce for a drink? why is it surprising that he goes there?
Ans: He goes to the movie at Radio City. it was surprising because Holden hated the movies.

Holden talking to Carl about his college and sexual life.











From  Monday's presentations

CHAPTER 12-13

  After getting bored in the Hotel lobby Holden decide to go to Greenwich Village where D.B. used to take him once in a while.He gets into "Vomity" cab with a driver named horwitz. He started talking about the pond with the driver, Horwitz insists that the fish are taken care of, because Mother Nature wouldn't leave them to fend for themselves. At Ernie's everyone is intently listening to the piano. The crowed is just a bunch of morons, the kind who laugh at movies that aren't funny, Holden says it silently. Holden listens in on some conversation. on one side, a guy is giving the a play by play of the last football game he was in,, Holden listens to their talks for about 10 minutes. As a better alternative to watching this display, Holden sends a message via the waiter asking Ernie to join him for a drink. after talking with her to  while, he decide to leave. He walks 41 blocks back in his hotel, its so cold so he puts his hunting hat back on, noting that he doesn't have his gloves, which someone at pencey stole.finally he get to the hotel, as soon as he gets into the elevator, the elevator man asks him if he's up for a good time, actually, the elevator man wants to set him up with a woman. And by "setup", he wants to pimp out a prostitute for five bucks. When he gets back to his room, he changes his shirt and brushes his teeth. Now that the time has come, Holden informs us he's virgin.


The first chapters Holden was looking for someone to spend the night with but later on when sunny the girl who came to his room, he refuse to have sex with her. because he doesn't feel sexually aroused. he knows he would be unable to perform, and it would be his first experience. This shows how he is changed from the beginning  of the chapter till now.


Interesting Questions:

1) How does Holden describe Horwitz's personality?
Ans: Holden thinks he is not a bad buy but he thinks he is touchy and sound angry when he speaks.

2) Why does Holden feel sorry for Ernie?
Ans: Because Holden thinks that Ernie didn't even know whether he played right or not, and it was because of the crowd that always applauded to him whether he played right or not.

3) How does Holden feel about such amenities as saying to someone, "Glad to meet you?"
Ans: He doesn't like saying those stuff when he doesn't mean them, but he thinks that to be able to stay alive he had to say those expressions.


On the upcoming chapters we will know more about Holden's personality and how he changes by the time.

When Holden decide to go back to hotel but wakes instead of taking taxi.
Holden is so depressed that he doesn't want to listen to people anymore and choose to wake in cold night.